All right, friends, this episode is going to ruffle some feathers, just as a heads up, because we’re talking about the BODi Network closing and my unfiltered take on the live conversation between Autumn Calabrese and Donald Stamper. So if you don’t know the two of them, they host their own podcast together. And after it’s now been nine months since BODi made the decision to dissolve the coaching network, they have sat down with one another.
So I literally just finished listening to Autumn and Donald’s podcast about the BODi network closure, and I had to immediately jump on Instagram Live because that’s just who I am now. I love connecting with all of you in real-time – it’s honestly my favorite way to communicate because the interaction is so genuine and fun.
I asked my podcast team to take that Instagram Live and turn it into this episode because I was truly in my element – fired up, passionate, and speaking from the heart about what really happened when this whole house of cards came tumbling down. There’s no way I could recreate that raw energy just sitting here with my laptop recording, so please excuse any audio differences.
What we’re witnessing is the complete collapse of something that affected everyone involved. I honestly don’t think Carl anticipated how badly this would backfire – coaches publicly bashing the company, Autumn’s program Bell Vital completely flopping during what should’ve been the strongest launch quarter, and her so-called “best friends” from her test group completely turning their backs on her. The affiliate model they tried to implement as a replacement just wasn’t working. Everything fell flat, and we all felt that impact as coaches.
My Mission: Protecting the 99% from MLM Traps
I need you to keep that in mind when you’re listening to what I say is that I understand there’s several sides to each story. My focus is advocating for the little guy – the 99.9% who get hurt in these systems. While executives like Autumn and Carl may have their grievances, and top distributors continue thriving in new MLMs with multiple homes and financial security, I’m here for those who truly get damaged.
I create this content to warn you that network marketing is a trap. I have nothing to gain by sharing my experiences and these stories – I simply want you to learn from my mistakes. Please understand that’s where I’m coming from when I speak so passionately about this topic.
Okay, let’s dive into the live. Here we go.
Introduction: Setting the Record Straight
Before we get into the details, it’s important to understand that what I share here is rooted in my personal experience. I am not offering up legal evidence or presenting any of this as absolute fact. This conversation is grounded in over 11 years living and breathing Beachbody—now BODi—and participating in the network marketing world.
If you know me, you know I don’t hold back and I won’t gloss over the tough truths. I’m here to pull back the curtain and reveal what’s really been going on, especially when it concerns people like Autumn Calabrese and Donald Stamper.
Maybe you’ve followed my story. Maybe you worked alongside me. Or maybe you’re just starting to put the pieces together from the fallout when BODi’s coaching network finally ended.
No matter where you’re coming from, I want you to see what’s really going on behind the social media highlight reels and all the corporate speak. My goal is to make sure you hear the real story that so many try to suppress in this industry.
The Podcast Aftermath: Red Flags & Real Talk
Now, let’s dig into the recent podcast between Autumn and Donald, which has made some major waves for good reason. So much of what came up is exactly what I’ve been warning about for years.
In this emotionally raw episode of Everything’s Perfect, hosts Autumn Calabrese and Donald Stamper unpack the collapse of the BODi partner network and the transition from MLM to affiliate marketing. The unexpected shutdown of the BODi partner network and the company’s shift from MLM to affiliate marketing shook the fitness coaching world… and Autumn is finally ready to talk about it.
For the first time publicly, Autumn opens up about what really happened behind the scenes, including the devastating timing: the announcement came just two hours after she wrapped filming her most ambitious program yet, Belle Vitale. The episode details the emotional, financial, and professional consequences of the decision, which impacted coaches and trainers alike.
I’m genuinely grateful Autumn is now using her platform and reach to address these issues, because it needs to be said at a loud volume. In this industry, manipulative tactics abound, and it’s only those willing to speak plainly who can help others see the light.
I’ve been standing with others like Lisa Cutler and Katie Moore. We all know what it feels like to be cast aside by a system that promises sisterhood and opportunity, only to deliver personal loss and professional betrayal.
I’m adamant: after everything I’ve seen, I cannot support network marketing. The products and programs themselves can work—heck, I still use them. But the structure is fundamentally about taking advantage of people for profit. If someone can’t benefit from you financially, their next move is often to tear down their old team or company.
That’s a giant red flag. The podcast brought this to the surface, especially around Autumn’s story of being dropped by people who used her for status, only to leave her behind when it suited them.
Contracts, Sponsorships, and BODi’s Fall
Let’s talk business—because that’s what’s really at stake here, even when no one wants to mention it. When I saw trainers like Autumn and Joel Freeman sign on with Trend Management, it became clear things had changed dramatically behind the scenes at BODi.
Deals had shifted, and suddenly those trainers who once relied on guaranteed paychecks for creating content now had to reorient and chase brand sponsorships to keep up with lost income.
It’s not a mystery why these trainers are suddenly pushing other products—it’s because BODi cut the cord, and their former corporate protections were gone. Now, the hustle for paid brand deals, affiliate links, and sponsorship revenue is non-stop. T
his isn’t a lack of ethics on their part—it’s survival in a system that never truly had their back. If you’re smart in business, you adapt. Autumn has shown that adaptability and grit time and again. But while she’s adjusting to reality, others are busy tearing down what built them up just to carve a path in the next company or opportunity.
Exposing the Coaching Network: The Real Reason It’s Over
The collapse of BODi’s coaching network wasn’t just a random act—it was a slow-motion trainwreck, instigated by greed at the top and complacency everywhere else. It’s easy to look at someone like Autumn, who’s carved out success, and assume nobody else worked as hard for their results.
But the uncomfortable truth is the real heavy lifting often happened at the bottom, among those who were recruited to endlessly hustle, while the “leaders” reaped financial benefits on autopilot.
Top coaches saw the writing on the wall months, even years ago. They had non-disclosure agreements that provided ample warning, even if they feigned ignorance about timelines. Yet, they continued to recruit, padding their teams and their pockets until the very last second.
Now, in the aftermath, they leap into new multi-level marketing outfits, rebrand themselves as wellness authorities, and immediately start trashing the BODi programs and products that made them who they are.
All the restrictive diet plans they used to hail as life-changing? Now suddenly, those were toxic—just in time to sell you on the next new thing. It reeks of hypocrisy and opportunism, plain and simple.
The Myth of Loyalty: Transactional Relationships Unveiled
The supposed community and mentorship so many talk about in this space is, underneath it all, transactional. When the money dried up, so did the friendships. It’s plain to see that once someone no longer provided financial benefit, the relationship disappeared overnight.
People who once traveled with Autumn or promoted her every move are now nowhere to be found. That silence speaks volumes about how little real loyalty exists in this business.
Unlike those who erase their entire past or light their old swag on fire, I keep my Beachbody awards, trophies, and memories visible. They represent years of sacrifice and achievement. I’ll never disown my past for a paycheck.
For me, the core issue isn’t just about Beachbody or BODi—it’s about the whole network marketing model. The cycle keeps repeating, in company after company, always with more casualties and more broken promises along the way.
The Great Compensation Plan Gaslight: Fake Positivity & Internal Chaos
Let me spill a little about what went on behind closed doors when BODi announced their big compensation plan changes. I was on those internal leader calls, watching as people who should have been honest with their teams completely flipped the script.
One minute, top coaches were in tears and angry over their incomes being gutted. Less than 24 hours later, the same people went back to their teams spun it as a golden opportunity and started rallying everyone to stick together for a “bright new future.”
This was the moment I realized just how disingenuous the entire structure had become. Instead of telling the truth, leaders chose to gaslight their networks and promote a message of false hope. And for what?
Just to keep the residuals flowing a little longer. If you’re still buying what those people are selling, ask yourself why. Loyalty means nothing when money is on the line. If you missed the chaos, understand: leaders had advance notice, managed their own landings, and left most people to fend for themselves. This isn’t leadership. It’s corporate survivalism at its worst.
Final Thoughts: Stop Falling for the MLM Spin
I need to say this as clearly as possible: stop feeding the cycle. When you see the same old faces from BODi suddenly touting their latest company, newfound passion, or health miracle products, know that it’s the same pattern on repeat.
It’s always about replicating past results and monetizing the next big “opportunity.” Meanwhile, the only real winners are those who keep moving you to the next paywall.
I’m grateful for the lessons BODi brought me—there were high points and friendships that really did matter. But I can’t ignore or excuse the pain, betrayal, and gaslighting that eventually overran the community.
I’ll continue to pull back the curtain, whether here, on my podcast, or in my daily stories. Don’t let yourself be manipulated. Stay sharp, see the red flags, and remember you owe these companies and their self-appointed stars absolutely nothing.
Full Raw Transcript
Maren Crowley [00:00:08]:
Welcome to my podcast, where if you know, you know. And if you don’t, well, you’re about to. In each episode, we’re seeking truth and getting real, helping you discover your strength and voice to make the best informed choices on your terms in accordance to his will. All right, friends, this episode is going to ruffle some feathers, just as a heads up, because we’re talking about the Body Network closing and my unfiltered take on the live conversation between Autumn Calabrese and Donald Stamper. So if you don’t know the two of them, they host their own podcast together. And after it’s now been nine months since Bodi made the decision to dissolve the coaching network, they have sat down with one another. They are best friends. Donald is a.
Maren Crowley [00:01:01]:
He’s obviously background cast and in some of the workouts, but then he turned into a coach. And Autumn as a trainer, like, what their experience was and what really went down on their side. And I listened to it first thing because I was obviously very curious about how she would handle this. And then my first knee jerk reaction is to go live on Instagram. That’s just who I am now. Keeping that in mind, I went live for a while because I love interacting with my friends on there. It’s just always so fun. Like, that’s my favorite way.
Maren Crowley [00:01:39]:
That’s my favorite medium, so to speak to. To speak. Because I just love the interaction. Podcasting is probably my second favorite thing, because your girl can talk. Okay, now, I asked my podcast team, I was like, listen, can you just take that live and turn it into a podcast episode? Because I was very much in the moment and, like, telling you how it is. And that’s not something that I would be able to recreate that energy, that fire, that all the things, like, by doing it again or trying to, like, read a transcript. So when you listen to this episode, please note that the audio is going to sound a little different than what you’re hearing right now, because I’m right now recording on my laptop with, you know, my podcast equipment, all the things. So I apologize, but we did the best we could.
Maren Crowley [00:02:34]:
But I needed you to hear those hard truths about network marketing and leadership, business, and quite frankly, what happens when the house of cards starts to flow fall. And what I really have seen is this house of cards. It fell for everybody. Like, I don’t believe that Carl anticipated the fallout that it had on the network. As far as these coaches just bashing the company, you know, typically quarter four, which is when Autumn’s program was, you Know, being released Bell Vital. That’s usually your best launch of the year. And it was not what it should have been. Autumn, she.
Maren Crowley [00:03:25]:
She got hit with it hard because people who were in her test group or, you know, quite frankly, like her quote unquote best friends completely turned on her, weren’t launching it. They tried putting together an affiliate model that just wasn’t clicking. So the business side of it, the program, it fell flat on its face, quite frankly. And also the fallout for us as coaches was hard. And, you know, I’ve talked about that a lot. So I was posting about this on my stories, and I’m very friendly with. We have conversations with. With one of the trainers, and she said to me, listen, like, I don’t know what your relationship is with her, meaning Autumn, but, like, she was one of the most rude, unkind, and I’m better than you people that I’ve ever met.
Maren Crowley [00:04:20]:
When I was in the studio with her, it was really sad. And I responded, you know, because like I said, we. We have this rapport, she and I. And I said, listen, like, that piece doesn’t surprise me because at the end of the day, like, I always noticed as a outsider that the rapport that Autumn and Carl had was very different than everybody else. And I have had many different stories said to me personally or heard through the grapevine that a lot, especially the female trainers, felt that they would never get a look at having their own program. Or like, everything was like, autumn, Autumn, Autumn. And to that I say, well, you.
Maren Crowley [00:05:04]:
Know.
Maren Crowley [00:05:07]:
It sucks when you’re on that side of it. Like, you’re not Autumn. Right. But also, are we blaming her or are we blaming Carl, or is it, you know, a mix? Because at the end of the day, he’s the CEO and they didn’t make his cut and she did. And I think she made his cut more often than not because she made him a lot of money.
Maren Crowley [00:05:32]:
She.
Maren Crowley [00:05:33]:
So there could have been this untouchable vibe from her, which, you know, whatever. Everyone handles their stuff differently. Like, I’m not justifying, justifying. I’m not excusing it. At the end of the day, we’re all people. And, you know, a squats. A squat, A frigging deadlifts. A deadlift.
Maren Crowley [00:05:52]:
Like, we’re not. We’re not curing cancer here, people. Okay? So my response back was like, look, that doesn’t surprise me. That sucks. She probably was wrapped around his finger in a way, but at the end of the day, he went and pulled the rug out from underneath her, too. So she found out real quick what her loyalty vibe was between him and money talks, homie. So it didn’t matter. And she made it very clear in her podcast that, like, she sat down with him.
Maren Crowley [00:06:26]:
Like, why didn’t you tell me about this? Like, so once again, I understand. Like, she thought she should know. She didn’t. You know, And I think a lot of this is a learning lesson for people, that you think you have relationships with people, but you don’t. You really don’t. And my friend responded like, it’s karma, girl. Like, she did a lot of people dirty. It’s just sad all around.
Maren Crowley [00:06:52]:
You know, she made millions. And then the people around her, like, they’re. They’re losing money. And she’s like, I don’t talk about this because it’s not my battle to fight, but there’s always several sides to these stories, and I agree with her. And so I need you to keep that in mind when you’re listening to what I say is that I understand there’s several sides to each story. And the one that I am always advocating for is the little guy. I. I am advocating for the 99.9, because while there may be hurt feelings from Autumn and Carl maybe seeing his stock still sucking, you know what? And then you have these other distributors out here who are, like, making these passive aggressive reels about, you know, their time at Bodi.
Maren Crowley [00:07:54]:
They’re still on their feet. They still own multiple homes. They are still at the top of the food chain at their new mlm. Whether it’s make wellness Shackley, like, they’re still doing all right. I create this content, and I am trying to advise you, the 99.99, that network marketing is a trap. Don’t get caught up in it. Please learn from me. I don’t have anything to gain by teaching you this and giving you my personal experiences and the stories that are being relayed to me.
Maren Crowley [00:08:33]:
So please just understand where I’m coming from. Okay, let’s dive into the live. Here we go.
Maren Crowley [00:08:45]:
So before I begin, let me say that everything that I am about to say is my own personal opinion. This is for entertainment purposes only. This is based upon things that I have personally experienced. This is not factual. Okay? Ain’t nobody trying to get sued for defamation. All right, so let’s talk about Autumn and Donald’s podcast today. Most of you are here because you are like, you’re on this live because you are familiar with Autumn Calabrese and Donald Stamper. You were either a body partner, you know, That I was a body partner for over 11 years.
Maren Crowley [00:09:32]:
My stuff is still on the wall because I am not one of those crazy women that just went and burned it and threw it in the trash like a crazy ex girl girlfriend. Okay, red flag for those women that did do that. Here are my thoughts and feelings on the podcast. First of all, a lot of what was said is stuff that. Who your girl, Me. Hi. That I’ve been telling you for a long time. I’m grateful that Autumn is using her influence and her platform to share it, because I’m just a little shadow band account that has been Shadow banned since 2020.
Maren Crowley [00:10:10]:
If you know, know. But the reach is getting greater, and I’m super grateful for that, because quite frankly, people need to know the real. Because there’s a lot of manipulative people out here. And I was talking to one of my best friends today who’s, like, kind of in all the throes of motherhood and whatnot. She was a coach on my team, and she is literally, like, my little sister best friend. And she’s like, I’m so out of touch. And I said, well, you know me, homie. When the gloves are off for me, the gloves are off.
Maren Crowley [00:10:48]:
Like, I am a ride or die loyal person, but if you hurt me or anyone that I care about, like, you’re dead to me. Okay? I remember stuff that people said to me, like, when I was in kindergarten, y’. All. So, like, I’m just not someone to play with. I hold the receipts, and I hold them close to the heart. And I have been on this movement with Lisa Cutler, Katie Moore, and I. Like, we knew one another when we were within bodi. We had mutual friends, but we have, like, been sharing and talking with one another a lot.
Maren Crowley [00:11:28]:
And I. I am so wholeheartedly against network marketing that it’s like, you know how I used to, like, bleed beachbody blue because I believe in the programs. Heck, I’m drinking my energize right now, and after I’m done talking to you, I’m gonna go push play in my workout. Why, y’? All? Because the products in the program still work despite what these women are trying to tell you. Okay? Remember, if they can’t monetize off of you, what’s their go to tactic? They’re gonna trash where they came from. Red flag. Red flag. Red flag.
Maren Crowley [00:12:05]:
And so that was one of the most important pieces that I hope you got out of that podcast is that I can’t remember if Donald sent it or. Or Autumn, where they were just in agreement with one another. Oh, it was Donald, because someone was like, well, bodies changed. And he said, well, are you a body partner? And she said, no. Like, I just used the products, right? Like, the products didn’t change, homie. The programs didn’t change, the network changed. And quite frankly, like, you’re seeing people for their true colors. And I felt really.
Maren Crowley [00:12:47]:
I don’t want to say I felt like, really. Well, I did. I felt bad for Autumn because you can tell that this is. She lost friendships, people that stayed in her home that quite frankly, used her circle of influence. And let’s be real, I’m sure, like, she was super grateful for, you know, them, quite frankly, like, promoting her programs. Because as she mentioned, and as I’ve told you, these trainers get paid for the amount of clicks they are receiving and downloads for their workouts. So that was a major red flag to me and something I showed you and told you and I talked about this on my podcast a couple weeks ago, is that the moment that I saw Autumn, first and foremost, she joined Trend Management. One of my closest dear friends who was in my downline is a part of Trend Management.
Maren Crowley [00:13:46]:
If you don’t know what that is, it helps influencers get brand sponsorships. Okay? When I saw that Autumn joined Trend, which, by the way, Joel Freeman is a part of Trend, his fiance Megan, also part of Trend, okay, I knew something happened in their contracts because you have to remember, I know things. I may not be the face of Beachbody that you all know and whatever, but, like, I. I’m the networking queen and I’m very cognizant when it comes to business, okay? I have a BBA in finance and an mba. One of my former members, okay, was Shaun T’s manager, okay? So I. I just know the ins and outs. So when I saw Autumn and Joel join Trend, I knew something changed in their contract. When I saw.
Maren Crowley [00:14:44]:
Saw that Megan Davies and Idalis Vasquez, when they could create their own programs off of that, another red flag. I’m like, okay, they released these trainers, so something changed. And it did. They were no longer putting out content. Like, so they used to get paid to create content, just like I do with ugc, okay? They get paid to create content to promote the products they release them from. That that was guaranteed money for them because it’s not guaranteed that their program will be successful. It will not be guaranteed that you push play, right? And that’s. That is another way that they would get paid, but they got paid for creating content.
Maren Crowley [00:15:30]:
Essentially, it’s a Paid acting gig. Just like when I do a UGC job, I’m getting paid to create content for the brands. And that’s what these trainers were doing. Okay. And that went by the wayside. So they ended up joining Trend Management. So that’s why you see them promoting other supplements and products and all the things. Because when they were under Bodi’s umbrella, they weren’t allowed to do that.
Maren Crowley [00:15:56]:
I remember specifically talking about this, like I said with one of my previous members about Shaun T, for example, because he saw that I had hydrate on the counter one day and I actually.
Maren Crowley [00:16:08]:
Gave it to one of my members.
Maren Crowley [00:16:10]:
Who was like feeling like a little hungover. Okay. Another separate member. And I asked him, I was like, so what’s the deal? And that, that this is back in like 2017, okay. And I found out that like when they are with. Let’s. I’m just making this up, okay? Gatorade, okay? They are under the contract with say Gatorade. They can’t talk about any other hydration formula, okay.
Maren Crowley [00:16:39]:
Until that contract expires and what people go with brands that pay them. For example, like for me, I’ve always played Callaway. I grew up playing Callaway golf equipment among Callaway staff, right. My husband, who still competes and plays like, it’s not that he, you know, thinks Callaway’s not great. Okay. It’s not that he’ll never fit a member into Callaway, but he’s on tailor made staff because Taylor Made, yes, they have a very good program, you know, and equipment. But mainly because my husband competes and their contract that when you are hitting these benchmarks in tournaments, they pay you more. So these, these trainers, that’s, that’s why they wouldn’t necessarily endorse Shakeology or endorse this or endorse that.
Maren Crowley [00:17:32]:
It’s not because they didn’t like it, but they were getting paid by other companies. So I just want to kind of explain that and want you to know, like my personal experience of learning this information. And Autumn clarified that today that they released them from that paid guaranteed content. So that’s why you see her promoting Branch Basics and Roommate and stuff like that, because she gets brand sponsorship deals. So essentially she gets paid to use the product, talk about it, you can click her link, she can make more money on top of that, you know, like to know it. I always screw that company up, but like to know it. That’s another way for her to create passive income. So let’s just use as an example and you know, say Brumate sends her.
Maren Crowley [00:18:26]:
She’s got a gazillion of them. So they send her, you know, 30 roommate cups. She talks, she get. She has to create content for them. Talking about them, the new color for the season, okay? That’s like, part of the contract. Say she has to talk about that. She has to share the sale. She can have an affiliate link for you to save, which she can, in turn, you know, possibly create income off of that.
Maren Crowley [00:18:50]:
Like I said, this is just hearsay, but this is just how I know how the business works. Then what she’ll do is she’ll stack her income, okay? Because this is what smart business women do, and Autumn is a smart business woman, okay? Despite what all of these Reddit trolls and former body coaches are trying to tell you, the woman is smart, okay? And she’s got nerves of steel, like, good for her for this podcast anyway. So then what she’ll do is she’ll stack it with, like, to know it, right? Which is her own personal thing. And if you go through that account, then she’s making more money off of. On top of that, okay? In this type of business, and this is what I teach you, okay, when you’re in any of my workshops, is you want to stack your income and stack your products. And she’s doing that. Now, one of the big things that no one wants to, like, talk about, and she talked about it, and she was pissed, and good for her is, you know, everyone wants to talk about because the world is very selfish. It’s very me, me, me, me, me.
Maren Crowley [00:19:58]:
What, you know, what have you done for me lately? And everyone, including myself, right, like, saw income just disappear. Now, if you were smart, you were listening to me, you were preparing for this years in advance. Listen, I wasn’t on any coach advisory board. I just have a freaking brain, and I understand business. And that was a major red flag. Major red flag. And I swear to all things holy, if you are still following and supporting these women who are on the coach advisory board, who straight up knew that this was coming. They didn’t know the day, they didn’t know the hour.
Maren Crowley [00:20:36]:
Kind of like, we don’t know when Jesus is coming back, but they knew it was coming. They knew that the coaching opportunity was going out the door, y’. All. They knew it was going out the door. They signed NDAs, okay? They knew it. And they still recruited you. They still recruited you. And then they caught.
Maren Crowley [00:20:55]:
They cried like, oh, we didn’t know this was coming. Yes, you did. Did you know the date? Did you know the Hour. Did you know you would walk off set and find out? No, you didn’t. But you knew it was coming, and you still were recruiting to your team. Why were you recruiting to your team? You’re recruiting to your team because Carl generous. Generously. Generously allowed all of us to lock in our rank and get paid bonuses.
Maren Crowley [00:21:21]:
And for a lot of these women, do you know what those bonuses are? I’m talking tens of thousands of dollars. I’m talking 50, 60, 80, hundreds of thousands of dollars. They kept recruiting because it was a buffer, and within a week, all of a sudden, they all magically become friends. When they would compete with one another for elite points and be so cutthroat and all the things, and now they’re BFFs at the same damn MLM. You think that is just serendipitous? It’s not. It’s insider trading at its finest. These women freaking knew y’, all, and you’re out there and you’re still supporting them. Why? They don’t care about you.
Maren Crowley [00:22:16]:
If they can freaking just, you know, cut off someone who. They would. They would travel with Autumn. They would schnear their way into the background, cast everything, the super workouts, the. You know, they’d be going to concerts with her. They would travel with their family there. And now they don’t speak to her. That says volumes about who they are as people.
Maren Crowley [00:22:43]:
And you know what else speaks volumes to the fact that Autumn was a classy act, and she doesn’t need to name names. She doesn’t need to name. All y’ all know who she’s talking about. You can connect the dots, okay? You don’t need to be Nancy Drew to figure it out. But she was classy enough to say, you know what? That was an important time to me. And regardless, like, I still want the best for those people, and I’m not gonna sit here and, like, trash them. Unlike what those women are doing. Unlike what they’re doing.
Maren Crowley [00:23:15]:
Creating reels, being passive aggressive, having all this, you know, content out there, basically trashing Bodi, trashing, you know, Autumn trashing the programs. That was my favorite piece, too. You have Beachbody, former Beachbody coaches out here, okay, talking about how restrictive direct quotes restrictive their plans were. Oh, it was restrictive for over a decade, you asshat. And you promoted that, and you wanted people be doing that, and it’s all you ever talked about. But now it’s restrictive. It took you 10 years to figure that out? What is wrong with you people? I think it’s hysterical that people are using their results from that program and what they learned about their bodies and now going to another company and saying, well, this company got me these results. No, it didn’t.
Maren Crowley [00:24:21]:
Do you know how many reps it takes to become an expert at something? 10,000. You did the company for over 10 years. That’s what made you learn what really worked for your body and what doesn’t, you schmo. Not this new company, not these groundbreaking products, which, by the way, are white labeled. And you can get them for a lot cheaper on Amazon, okay? Use your brains. Use your brains. If I see this content show up in my feed, I one more time, I. I’m gonna throw my phone in the pool.
Maren Crowley [00:25:04]:
I won’t do that because I need to communicate with you. What were some other things that she. So we talked about, okay, she got screwed, right? Autumn got screwed both ways to Sunday. Because the product and the programming that she put her heart and soul into, which, by the way, because you have to understand, these programs, they don’t just poof. Pop into existence, okay? It takes years of research and development. And listen, there’s a lot of backstory. You know, trainers would get upset, obviously, because they would be put in their heart and soul to a program and it wouldn’t get chosen. But that’s business, homie.
Maren Crowley [00:25:42]:
It’s business. Sometimes you’re the winner, sometimes you’re the loser, okay? My husband and I, we can prepare and prepare and prepare for a golf tournament. And you know what? Some days you got it and some days you don’t, okay? And somebody’s going to get picked over you. And quite frankly, Autumn was the bread and butter of Beachbody and was for over 10 years, whether you like it or not. Okay? I’ll be the first to tell you. Sometimes I would have to mute the programs. But you know why I would mute the programs? Because I was sick and tired of hearing the freaking chatter with the background cast of her little friends who now don’t talk to her. I’m just saying it really wasn’t an Autumn issue.
Maren Crowley [00:26:30]:
It was a cast issue. Because I never really would mute, like, 80 day obsession or things like that. I muted the ones that the coaches were in because I knew what phony people these folks are, okay? Anyway, I digress. So she got screwed because one, when the company dissolved, okay, it was all they focused on, right? People were, you know, chatting about that. You had people mf ing her mf and Carl MFing Body, you know, where the whole. So they didn’t want to promote the program. Despite the fact that they were just talking about it for months and months leading up to it. Okay, she got screwed because people left, you know, they had a hard time.
Maren Crowley [00:27:21]:
I said this from the beginning. If you’ve been here and you’re an og, you know, I said, as soon as he said Impact, I was like, oh, bless. Like I am. I’m not even signing up. I hate Impact. Hate it. If a company. And really, at this point, no one uses it, but if a company was telling me, hey, we would love for you to become an affiliate for our such and such product.
Maren Crowley [00:27:41]:
Yeah, sure. Yeah, we’re on. Whatever. What. What platform do you use? Impact. I’m like, no, out.
Maren Crowley [00:27:47]:
Like, I’m not.
Maren Crowley [00:27:48]:
I’m not dealing with that platform. It sucks. So when Carl said they were using that, I was like, oh, my gosh, this is gonna be so bad. And it was. And so Autumn got impacted that way, no pun intended, where people weren’t promoting her product because they didn’t want to deal with it. So they were butt hurt that the business was gone. They were annoyed because they couldn’t figure out Impact because it is, quite frankly, you know, crappy platform. And then you have people drawing people away and saying that how bad Bodi is, and why would you support that company? Come over here, though.
Maren Crowley [00:28:25]:
Come over here. And she even talks about how people. Hello, this is a red flag. Red flag. Hope you’re awake. People all of a sudden were using another fitness platform or part of another MLM and talking all about hormones and using. Using the content and the information and the results that they got from her and promoting it over here. Which, by the way, if I were her, I would have been suing their ass.
Maren Crowley [00:28:58]:
Like, that is her. That’s her information. That’s like, should have been copyright, which I’m sure it is. But, like, these. Ugh. Anyway, okay, so I felt so sorry for her in that podcast because everyone wants to talk about, oh, the poor Coaching Network. The poor Coaching network. And, you know, I get it.
Maren Crowley [00:29:23]:
You see Autumn, and you see that she lives in Calabasas, and you see that she drives these nice cars and stuff like that. So it’s hard to feel sorry for someone who already lives, like, you know, above most people’s means. But I’m a firm believer that you get what you get in life, and if you work hard for it and you have grit, which I believe Autumn Calabrese does do, I think some of it was, you know, whatever luck or, you know, God’s, you know, hand in it, of Course. Right. But she worked for it. You know who didn’t work for all of that money and multiple homes because they earned it off the backs of thousands and thousands of other people. Minions who were doing the work. The coaches.
Maren Crowley [00:30:20]:
Thank you, Leslie. Yes. And that is the whole reason why the coaching network dissolved is because. Is because there were big fish who sat and did nothing and collected multiple six figure checks and beyond and didn’t work. Now what’s funny is now don’t you see those coaches all of a sudden working real hard, showing up real big on social media? Yeah. Because they have to. To. Because they’re working a lot harder at their new MLM or working multiple MLMs because they have to.
Maren Crowley [00:30:57]:
Because they don’t have the downline that they built for 10, 15 years. Or I should say the downline built itself for 10, 15 years. They don’t have that anymore. They don’t have that. So now they have to be out there. They have to show up. They have to. All of a sudden, I know coaches who wouldn’t touch a freaking workout, never showed up at a workout or never had a super workout, never at a, you know, individual workout.
Maren Crowley [00:31:22]:
If we were on trips, they would be sleeping in. Now all of a sudden they tell you that they work out and how great these peptides are. Stop it. Now all of a sudden, someone talking, you know, about this company is the, the brainchild that, you know, brought them. Hormonal health. When you were part of a test group that taught you all about it and knew the buzzwords to give you to promote the program. Get out of here. And you’re trashing your former company.
Maren Crowley [00:31:57]:
Listen, I said this on my stories last night. If someone has to constantly trash where they’ve been and instead of lifting up and promoting where they. And I would teach my team this all the time. Like, don’t talk. Like, let’s talk about Shakeology. Like, don’t talk about how this shakes bad or that shakes bad. Like, just talk about how powerful and potent Shakeology is. Talk about the amazing ingredients in Shakeology.
Maren Crowley [00:32:24]:
You don’t need to trash something else to elevate what you have to sell and promote and what you believe in. But nine out of the 10 of these reels that these women are creating are bashing where they came from. It gives me like awkward, like ex girlfriend vibes. Like, your new homie that you’re dating can’t be that great if all you do is talk about your ex. I’m just saying it’s a rebound. I am so fired up about this, people. I am so fired up. And, you know, another MLM went down this week.
Maren Crowley [00:33:10]:
Thrive, stop getting involved and stop supporting these women. They are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Like, you know, I just mentioned about how I still have my Beachbody stuff up. I still have my legacy club trophy up. I still have, you know, those stupid little flags they would give us. You know, I have that one. First of all, that was a very important part of my life. Jesse’s on this live right now.
Maren Crowley [00:33:45]:
Jesse’s one of my dearest friends. We weren’t on the same team. We had the same, you know, star upline or whatever, but we’re both moms. Like, we have kids that are, you know, the same age. Like, we talk all the time. Like, we share products with another. Like, you know, like, hey, like, my daughter has hand, foot, and mouth. Like, what did.
Maren Crowley [00:34:12]:
What did your son use? Like, we were friends. We don’t even have to necessarily be doing the same thing anymore. But we’re friends. I got to bring my daughter to Summit multiple years and show her, like, what my accolades were and the people I was helping. I push play, and she has her little weights here. She works out. She understands the importance of health and fitness. She’ll ask me, mommy, can I have your drink? Is that.
Maren Crowley [00:34:45]:
Well, I don’t drink recover anymore. I drink just ingredients.
Maren Crowley [00:34:48]:
But, like, she knows it as recover.
Maren Crowley [00:34:50]:
Like, my recover shake is that Recovery cover is at Shakeology. Because she knows that she can have Shakeology, but I don’t let her have, like, BCAAs. Okay. I’m not trying to make my toddler into, like, a muscle baby quite yet, but, like, that had an impact on my family financially. I have this roof over my head because of Beachbody, so who would I be to completely just trash my experience and throw all that stuff in the garbage? No, I don’t believe in that. Are there things that I went through that were really hard? Yeah. Are there people that I was hurt by 100%. Do I feel like, you know, there’s certain.
Maren Crowley [00:35:45]:
I’m very. One of the things I’m most grateful for is that Beachbody came into my life, you know, 75% of it before I had children. Because I’m very, very grateful that I didn’t sacrifice the amount of time that I did with being in network marketing. It’s not a Beachbody problem. It’s a network marketing problem. I’m very grateful that I didn’t sacrifice that time while I had children. I’m very grateful for that, and I feel Very sorry for the women that cannot get those years back with their.
Maren Crowley [00:36:24]:
Kids.
Maren Crowley [00:36:27]:
Because it goes like that, my baby’s gonna be one on Thursday. And so for me, I feel very sorry for those who were in the throes of it when they had kids and still are still doing it. You know, I’m just very. I’m very grateful for my experience with Beachbody. But I’m also out here to tell you to never do network marketing, because this is my personal experience with Beachbody. But the amount of stories that pour in from people from this company and that company, it’s all the same. It’s all the same. All right, let me try to read these comments because the kids are back from a walk, and good luck trying to go live with that.
Maren Crowley [00:37:18]:
I saw this in 2019 when AdvoCare went to one level. All of a sudden, the Advocare products were not healthy, blah, blah, blah. I found out that relationships based on.
Maren Crowley [00:37:26]:
Transactions are not real.
Maren Crowley [00:37:27]:
Yeah. And you 100 got that feeling and emotion from Autumn today. I mean, she. She broke down. She didn’t name names, but she doesn’t need to. Everyone knows it’s been nine months, like, time. Yeah. Seriously.
Maren Crowley [00:37:43]:
Did they address how Donald is a part of Make Wellness too now? No. So Donald’s boyfriend Nelson is part of Make Wellness. And I think that’s why they treaded lightly when it came to naming names. I think that he handled it very well, you know, and he straight up said, like, the program still work, the products, you know, like, if you have to constantly talk about your business coming to sell your new one, clearly new one, ain’t it? Yep. It’s been months. And you have special. Can’t they move on? No, they can’t. Because they.
Maren Crowley [00:38:23]:
They. They just can’t move on. Then you can’t come up here, Bobby. Ungrateful. Yep. These coaches worked off our backs. Ain’t that the truth? And now they are in fast away workouts. Companies putting them on a pedestal.
Maren Crowley [00:38:39]:
Yeah, well, it’s just like Shackley, you know, that company’s been around forever and they’re trying to do whatever they can to like, get their name out there in a quote unquote positive way by using these faces from Beachbody to draw people in. Because, I mean, some of their distributors are literally like in their 50s, 60s, so, like, that’s a dinosaur just trying to beat extinction. What else? And the faster way is also restrictive. Well, people like what they’re familiar with. Right. So if you were on a restrictive plan with Beachbody, this should be Seamless when you go to faster way. Huh? Now claim the results are from their new products and companies. I know.
Maren Crowley [00:39:27]:
It’s such a freaking joke. I don’t even want. I addressed that ad nauseum. It was not restrictive when they were selling it to us. That’s a fact. Yeah. Mm. But God told them to go there.
Maren Crowley [00:39:41]:
Oh, yeah. Don’t get me started on the ones that all, all of a sudden have found Jesus because their network marketing company, you know, is primarily a conservative movement. I don’t even want. Don’t even start on these grifters, these conservative network marketing grifters where they’re getting you. Obviously, y’ all know who I am and what I stand for. And when I see. And it’s not just a, like a make wellness thing, I see other women who all of a sudden were, you know, they were attending Trump rallies in 2016. Now they’re black pillars.
Maren Crowley [00:40:11]:
Like, they just go with the flow with whatever. Whatever shakes. Right. And then when you leave, they don’t talk. Talk to you anymore. Right. But yeah, like, all of a sudden, people are finding Jesus, you know, talking about, talking about him, like, which, whatever. I.
Maren Crowley [00:40:27]:
It’s very hard for me because I want to believe that people truly are following God for the right reasons. And I believe it is our job as Christ followers to educate everyone about the love of Jesus. So it puts me in a very difficult spot when I see people, like, monetizing off of his love because God gave us free will and it’s a privilege to accept him and know Jesus. And I just. I just don’t. I honestly don’t believe that these women do. A lot of them, I think it’s for show and for clicks, but that’s my own opinion. I don’t know it.
Maren Crowley [00:41:20]:
I don’t know their heart. I pray that their heart is in the right place. But when I know what these women have done, specifically, like I mentioned before about being on the coach advisory board and knowing that this was coming. They just didn’t know the day, like, yet they still recruited, you know, like, come on. Oh, and I will talk about this and I will start to wrap this up, because one of the things that I have never talked about. I don’t even think I’ve talked about it on my podcast, I might have, is the fact that. So when back in fall of 2023, okay, when they talked about us going affiliate, my team had, like, my big team had a call that was for only the top tier leaders. Okay.
Maren Crowley [00:42:25]:
And on this call, because we knew that Our income essentially was getting cut in half. This was like the first. The first big announcement, okay? And for a reference point, like I went, I. With that first big change of them going to affiliate. This is not removing, not affiliate. Excuse me, cutting the compensation plan. Changing the compensation plan. Then they went to affiliate.
Maren Crowley [00:42:56]:
So this was in 2023, when they changed the compensation plan that affect my personal income. That was like when I tell you, a really difficult time in life because I had to financially plan. And those changes were effective, like almost immediately. Unlike when they got rid of the coaching network, they gave you like three months to plan. So my income went from being at that. I mean, it kept going down. Like Autumn said, like there were. There were highs and lows.
Maren Crowley [00:43:29]:
No, like it was just. And she said she’s like, actually it was just low. Every year her income was getting less. Just like as a distributor, mine was getting less. So I was a little shy of multiple six figures that. That got cut in half. Now you could say, oh, poor you, Maren, but things are relative, right? And it has a trickle down effect. And it affected my team, meaning like the people, my marketing team, meaning I had to cap like my VA at a certain amount of hours.
Maren Crowley [00:44:03]:
I had to cut certain people from like I had, you know, I did like do more work, so to speak, because I couldn’t pay people anymore. I financially couldn’t afford to have like this big marketing team. Like, I had to prepare for that. And then as you know, going into fall of 2024, like, I was like, well, I need to supplement my income. That’s when I officially went back into. So. Excuse me. Fall of 23, sorry, my year’s blood.
Maren Crowley [00:44:32]:
Fall of 23, I went back into the golf industry because I got. I had my baby in 2024. So fall of 23, I promise, I’m circling back. I’m circling back. Where’s Jen Psaki when you need her? So I was on this call with all these leaders and they were livid. They were livid. They are crying, they are angry, they’re dropping f bombs, they are pissed at Carl. They’re all the things.
Maren Crowley [00:45:01]:
These are women that you know. They are women that you know. Okay, the next day there’s another call. There’s a separate call. And I intentionally got on the second call, even though I knew the information. I got on the second call because I wanted to see for myself with my own eyes what the response would be. And you had women who the day before were trashing everything up sideways crying because they knew, like they Wouldn’t be able to afford their Porsche anymore and their lifestyle, like, all the things. Okay.
Maren Crowley [00:45:43]:
And then the next day, they’re on the call, rallying the troops and talking about how this is such a great change and that the affiliate model is going to. Not the affiliate model, the. Yeah, because they did kind of like do an affiliate thing, too, that the changes to the compensation plan are actually going to be beneficial to you, and this is going to be a rising tide. Raise all ships. And that was like my. One of my biggest aha moments. Okay. Because I’m like, you phony, phony.
Maren Crowley [00:46:14]:
You know what? 24 hours ago, you were on a call crying your eyes out, and now all of a sudden, this is great news and you’re wearing body hats and you’re like, wearing, you know, your body swag. And you’re talking about how this is going to be great. And. And you’re on the call and you’re like, all right, we’re going to help you. Like, this is going to help the people at the bottom. Like, you’re. You’re finally going to be able to make money and just straight up lying. It was the most fraudulent thing I had ever seen.
Maren Crowley [00:46:47]:
And I was like, I’ve never been more out in my life. And that was that. That. That’s when I was like, nope, I cannot be a part of this. And as I told you, ad nauseam. Like, I. I couldn’t in good conscious recruit to Beachbody. I.
Maren Crowley [00:47:10]:
I didn’t talk about it. People would ask me if I was still doing it, and I was. I just didn’t want to talk about it anymore. Get that off your foot, please. I never made much of the business, but Beachbody of Beach Bites. But did. But Beachbody did get me working on creating and eating better. And I always give credit from that.
Maren Crowley [00:47:31]:
Where can I listen to the autumn podcast? It’s on Spotify and I’m sure iTunes. Oh, and YouTube podcast is also on Apple podcast. Red Flag Me was the Zoom in. Yes. Yes. Thank you, Lauren. So Lauren. Lauren was on the second call.
Maren Crowley [00:47:49]:
She was on the. We will get through this, Ira. Have a plan for us. Is that. Are you referring, Lauren, to the one I was just talking about? So, like I said, I was on the. I was on both calls and I saw these women freaking out, crying, screaming, like, all the things. And then the next day they put on a happy face, like, it’s okay. Like, we’ll help you see? And now they’re making major claims about claiming to lower morbidity.
Maren Crowley [00:48:19]:
Morbidity and using other health pain points outside of weight loss to sell the product. Yep. If I see one more thing about perimenopause and menopause, I swear, y’, all, I. I can’t, I can’t. And then shame you when you don’t sign up with them. They literally gave everyone a three month severance package. Yes. Which is very generous.
Maren Crowley [00:48:40]:
Some of these companies didn’t do that. Modern didn’t. Beauty counter didn’t. They did the whole weird body movement. Yeah, exactly. Get out of here. So anyway, I probably should put this all in a podcast. No, the news.
Maren Crowley [00:48:58]:
No, after the news of the Coach Network going away. Oh yeah. Because that’s what they do. They gaslight you. Right. And they want to keep you in their trenches. And that’s what Autumn said. Like we, you know, people are like, oh, we lost our whole business, blah, blah, blah.
Maren Crowley [00:49:11]:
And she said you had the choice. Now granted, she even admitted, just like I did, like, impact sucks. But like they had the option to continue to promote the products, but as an affiliate. But these women didn’t want to do that. They wanted easy out and they wanted to go over to a new network market company and just bash where they came from. But like you had the ability to download all of your customer lists, which is what these women did. They, they downloaded their CRMs. And then what did they do? They emailed all of those people like, oh, look, this is my new home.
Maren Crowley [00:49:53]:
God. God opened this door for me.
Maren Crowley [00:49:59]:
I was out after that.
Maren Crowley [00:50:00]:
I was like, you gaslighted us to.
Maren Crowley [00:50:02]:
Get on a call after this news.
Maren Crowley [00:50:03]:
And now you’re talking about this new opportunity. Yeah. And you know, think about these women who are at the top of those companies, the information that they had prior, who they’ve aligned themselves with. And you know, some of these women don’t talk to some of their former best friends anymore because they chose to go a different path. It’s a transactional business, full stop. All right, I gotta go because this one is wanting attention, rightfully so I will put more of this on my podcast. Maybe I will record this during nap time, but. Oh, the bridge contacts from Shackley.
Maren Crowley [00:50:54]:
Yep. Huge bonuses. Uh huh.
Maren Crowley [00:50:56]:
Okay, I got swimming at 10 o’.
Maren Crowley [00:50:59]:
Clock. Okay, we gotta go. Don’t you just love that little voice? All right, I will continue to talk about this. Trust and believe.
Maren Crowley [00:51:10]:
All right. That was a lot. I know I can talk a dog off a meat wagon, my mom would say. But I was really passionate. I am really passionate about this. And I wanted to make sure you felt that with that particular live. So that’s pretty cool that we were able to do that. I don’t know how often I will do that.
Maren Crowley [00:51:30]:
But hey, when in Rome. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. I love engaging with you on Instagram. That’s where I usually post up. My handle is at MA Crowley. You can also reach me on my website. My website is marincralley.com and let’s continue this conversation. I really want to capitalize quite frankly on the fact that she’s speaking out on this because I want this message overall about network marketing being just not the business.
Maren Crowley [00:52:00]:
Okay, I tell you all the time where you need to be planted is user generated content. Ugc message me about it. I have a whole highlight about it on my Instagram, my website. I have a workshop for you. Amazon Shoppable. That is my jam. Those are the places you need to be planted because that is the future of online social selling. You need to say dipset to network marketing.
Maren Crowley [00:52:23]:
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